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Still, an excerpt of the Maraniss book published last week in Vanity Fair reveals a portrait of Obama that might have enriched the voters' understanding of him in the 2008 campaign, when many Americans were eager to learn about this new, fresh face in politics.
The excerpt focuses on Obama's brief time in New York after his graduation from Columbia University. The son of a Kenyan father and an American expatriate mother, Obama emerges as a man questioning whether he viewed himself, or wanted to be viewed by others, as an American. Not in a citizenship sense -- Obama was born in the United States and that was that -- but in the sense of how he saw the world and wanted to be seen by it.
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Why give a phony birth certificate in response to Trump last year? Who is this guy? Does anybody care?
Just as I said before, real Americans don't eat dog. If anyone does, it is kept quiet. Nobody brags about that and is a real American.
No, as far as caring is concerned, people seem to be more interested in the government supplied goodies.
Update:
There's been a back and forth with an anonymous commenter in the comments section. I guess there's one more thing here that I won't put into the comment section, but, rather as an overall statement thusly: that anyone can play the "expert game". Anybody can trot out their own expert. Ultimately, if you're interested in the truth, you have to think the thing through for yourself. Being in the political game doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the truth. If you're fortunate, you'll get to the truth. Ultimately, the outcome comes down to who can play the game better, with the truth often being the casualty. It isn't so much about truth as it is about the game.
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The birth certificate is not "phoney." Only birther "experts"--who have not proven their expertise and who certainly have not shown that they are impartial--claim that Obama's birth certificate was forged.
This video shows why it is phony, and if that is not enough this link may be convincing.
The following experts say that there is nothing wrong with Obama’s birth certificate, and the State of Hawaii, which is the real expert, certainly hasn’t.
Dr. Neil Krawetz, an imaging software analysis author and experienced examiner of questioned images, said: “The PDF released by the White House shows no sign of digital manipulation or alterations. I see nothing that appears to be suspicious.”
Nathan Goulding with The National Review: “We have received several e-mails today calling into question the validity of the PDF that the White House released, namely that there are embedded layers in the document. There are now several other people on the case. We looked into it and dismissed it. … I’ve confirmed that scanning an image, converting it to a PDF, optimizing that PDF, and then opening it up in Illustrator, does in fact create layers similar to what is seen in the birth certificate PDF. You can try it yourself at home.”
John Woodman, independent computer professional, said in a series of videos that the claims of fakery that he examined were unfounded.
Ivan Zatkovich, who has testified in court as a technology expert, and consultant to WorldNetDaily: “All of the modifications to the PDF document that can be identified are consistent with someone enhancing the legibility of the document.”
Moreover, we know that Obama had a birth certificate in 1961 due to the birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers which in those days were only issued by the DOH. And we also know that there was a long firm birth certificate because the method that is used in generating the short-form birth certificate requires the clerk to read the facts from the document in the file. And we further know that there was a document in the file due to the statements of the two Republican officials who confirmed it, and the Director of Health of Hawaii who stated that she had had it copied and that a copy was given to Obama’s lawyer.
Sheriff Joe is not impartial you know, and he is using the WND “experts”–who are not impartial either, and have not even showed that they are experts.
A real expert, who is a member of the Tea Party and who has shown that Obama’s birth certificate is not forged, volunteered to work on the Sheriff Joe’s posse, and was not accepted.
http://www.obamabirthbook.com/http:/www.obamabirthbook.com/2012/03/on-the-release-of-report-from-sheriff-joe-arpaio-stating-barack-obamas-birth-certificate-is-a-forgery/
There are reasons why NO member of Congress has called for an investigation of the Sheriff’s allegations, and no Republican candidate for president or former Republican candidate for president has supported them. It is because they are made up claims by people who hate Obama not supported by any real expert, not backed up by any evidence that Obama was born outside of the USA or that his mother or he even traveled outside of the USA in 1961 and contradicted directly by the Hawaii birth certificate that THREE Republican officials in Hawaii.
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You want a reply? Here's my last to you on this subject.
1. The matter was originally brought up by Trump. Obama could have handled it between himself and Trump. If Trump doesn't want to find the response acceptable, Obama can just say "sue me". Or bleep off. He doesn't have to explain himself to Trump. Trump wants to make it a political issue and so he did. Obama produces a document, which is then disputed.
The dispute isn't going to be settled here.
2. If I were in such a position myself, I can produce a hospital birth certificate. If anyone doubts the authenticity of it, I suppose experts could be brought in to determine it. You can determine the age of a paper document scientifically, if I am not mistaken. If there are things such as footprints, these may be good as fingerprints. Signatures can be analyzed and so forth.
Now I realize that may have done with this, but the thing is, it was between Trump and Obama. Obama puts this document out there and now it is disputed.
3. I bring this up myself because of this: Why did Obama do this? Why not handle it differently? I think the matter could have been handled differently. Sure it has been politicized, but Obama's response was also political. After all, he could have just brought Trump into the Oval Office, then show him the original paper hospital record, and say, "here it is". You can take this at face value, or not. But that is all you get from me.
4. From that point on, he could just say that he spoke with Trump about it and relate the facts. People could make up their minds from there.
5. I've studied the Kennedy assassination in order to determine for myself as best I could the facts of the situation. I could do the same here, but I am not interested enough in the controversy in order to do that. I make my judgements on the man from what I've have seen and heard of him myself.
If you don't like my response, then fine. Do whatever. I have said before- no real American eats dog and then says he did that.
If you can't accept that, then sorry. If it doesn't sound scientific enough for you, sorry.
This guy isn't worth the time to investigate it thoroughly.
Re: "Obama puts this document out there and now it is disputed."
Yes, a group of people who hate him dispute it. Of course they dispute it; that is a way that they can attack him.
The birther "experts" do not include any members of recognized forensic document organizations, nor did the birthers ask any such experts to look at the birth certificates. Among the "experts" quoted regularly by WND there is one, Paul Irey, who claims that Obama did not go to Columbia College--despite Columbia saying that he did. And there is another, Doug Vogt, who claims that he found the original altar of Abraham (though he has not shown it to anyone).
Obama has shown his short form and long form birth certificates, and three Republican (and several Democrat) officials in Hawaii have confirmed the facts on them. Obama must have had a birth certificate from Hawaii because of the birth notices in the newspapers. Only the DOH of Hawaii sent those notices to the papers in 1961, and it only sent them for births in Hawaii.
Mitt Romney has not shown his birth certificate at all, nor did any of the former Republican candidates for president.
And yet birthers say that Obama should have done more. What they are actually saying is that they hope that the issue will stay alive and perhaps a few poor fools will believe their lies.
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