Monday, April 29, 2019

Conspiracy equals collusion, some say

Updated,

4.29.19:

In the Mueller Report, there was a discussion about conspiracy v. collusion.  This pretty much validates my criticism.   The investigation was sold politically as collusion, but a prosecutor doesn't investigate "collusion", but conspiracy.  Then why use the term "collusion"?  To frame the narrative so that the public will treat it seriously.  If they used "conspiracy" instead, it would have highlighted the fact that there was no crime to investigate in the first place.  If there is no crime, then why is there a prosecutor????????

Therein lies the entire problem in a nutshell.  There never was a crime, so why are they investigating this as if it were?

Here's the discussion in the Mueller Report.

"through the lens of conspiracy law"



see 2nd paragraph, line 2  for "collusion"



7.31.19:

First thought out the gate is: so why not investigate a conspiracy then?  What's the business about using the term "collusion" if conspiracy is your meaning?

Speculation alert here:  The word collusion is an easier word to sell than conspiracy.  People using the word "conspiracy" are often thought of as being a little off out in the weeds.  Therefore, the word collusion is used instead in order to control the PR of a questionable investigation.

Here's the wikipedia entry on conspiracy.  Interesting to note that in England and Wales, the courts were overreaching in the use of conspiracy.  A new law was written in 1977 in order to address the issue.

Note that, in England, there needs to be an agreement.  You would have to prove an agreement exists.

Reading on, there is a section about conspiracy against the United States.

commenting upon that now...

There needs to be an "overt act" by one of the conspirators.  There has to be a crime.    Richard Nixon was an "unindicted co-conspirator" in the Watergate Scandal.  This was a burglary.

done with comments upon the article... now a few observations...

One observation that leaps out is where is the crime?  You cannot just charge conspiracy.  There has to be an underlying crime.  Where is the crime?

It is progress in this discussion that they now admit that it was conspiracy that they are talking about.  Now they have to name the fricking crime that is supposedly at issue.




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